From where I see it @pierreozoux was apparently annoyed by @bignose’s reply, as he is working hard to promote free software and all of the values here described and as he said, he right now needs more people to help out with already identified technical tasks. @pierreozoux am i anywhere close?
@bignose have you read https://forum.indie.host/t/indiehosters-driver-what-drives-us-as-a-collective-at-indiehosters/256 ? Would you care answering the questions written there?
Values are ultimately part of a strategy to attend to this driver actually and really are open to dialogue. Preferably without judgement.
@bignose I start by referring to the title part that says: “guide our action”.
There are situations where the line is hard to define, as you have already mentioned.
For example, using Google APIs feeds usage data of IndieHosters through Google; and Google does not demonstrate these values. How much should that matter?
I’m aware that I can login to IndieHosters using Google account - was this @bignose what you were referring to ?
These are good values for an organisation to have. What obligations result from these values?
What do you understand by obligations?
To what extent should we prefer that organisations, with which IndieHoster works, to also demonstrate these values?
Good question. On a first answer I would say of course, we prefer organizations that strictly follow the same values as Indiehosters. That doesn’t necessarily mean that all other organizations don’t comply to some extent to the values also. I would say that if you find an organization that doesn’t comply with any values whatsoever in most of the circumstances, then I say - probably we should not work with them.
Yet lays the question: Imagine you are a vegan climate activist. You have the opportunity to contribute to lessen the climate impact of an animal industrial farm, and you know how to do it. How would you cope with it?
Using credit cards for international payment also requires IndieHosters customers to contribute to many organisations that do not demonstrate these values. What does this set of values mean for IndieHosters in relation to that?
Would you say that these organizations and the people working there do not never comply with these values? Would you have the time to hire someone or work on specific issues regarding to this, as @pierre mentioned?
Another option is to discuss what is meant by those values; perhaps even at length, to satisfy your customers what you mean by those values and what actions they would guide you to.
Could you be more concrete by saying in which way the definition of the values could be more detailed so that IndieHosters better achieves the full satisfaction of its driver (check https://forum.indie.host/t/indiehosters-driver-what-drives-us-as-a-collective-at-indiehosters/256)
@pierreozoux, are you ok with me handling this as part of the team?